I.e. 5, 19-48. Evidence for this comes from further findings in Dalmatians. I’m glad to see an expert address the issue of Dalmatian tempers. The temperament issues persist and blanket the breed because the breed is defined by their mostly white coat and it’s a sine qua non feature. So surprise, surprise, the AKC is actually the more progressive and open registry at this time in this regard for this breed! Of course we felt sorry for her when she was rescued. Yes I know they have found no true verifiable links in horses either, in fact I recently had 2 max Sabinos with the overo gene here & have to say their pink skin & blue eyes where a pain in he butt sun wise they where just as any other horse here temperament wise. Price, E. 0. Okay, that’s true, it isn’t “happy”. 19(5), 181-182. In one form or another, they are inbred. Most dog owners love their dogs and aren’t going to come out and admit to any problems they may have. I was talking about temperament wise. You also make it seem like all LUA Dals are like highly inbred on that one pairing. Several motivations and causes for denial-ism have been proposed, including religious beliefs and self-interest. The Dalmatian CHIC doesn’t even demand, nor suggest that you have your dog tested for LUA! (225) 578-9758 This is a Corgi and a pure breed how could it have an eye disease known to Collies? Well, why don’t you claim to be perfecting the breed? They’re nice dogs. The males are more affectionate than the females; they literally worship the ground you walk on. Ah yes, among the most aggressive dogs ever. We work hard to protect your security and privacy. LMAO. The majority of people who own a deaf Dalmatian say it isn’t any more difficult to train a deaf Dalmatian than to train a dog with full hearing. Nor in the 35 minutes it took you to read the whole 1 page of this blog you looked at did you bother to click on any other of many many posts which deal with health, genetics, and problems with all sorts of breeds, ESPECIALLY Border Collies. It is nothing personal against the dog. Sci. (1989). Santa was so unhappy he wanted to die because life was frustrating him. I am a dog breeder, my breeds are absolutely ancient compared to yours, and I am disgusted. I grew up on a farm and know how to behave around and read animals. People should be quite leery of the results from the American Temperament Test since dogs can be trained to pass it. First it’s 30% are deaf… then it’s 45%. Bulldogs also have white factor deafness, but much of their dysfunction is conforamational and not disease-related genetic. Now health wise, His hearing thankfully is not an issue, as both his parents were baer tested as was the litter and i was supplied with a certificate to prove the he has bilateral hearing in both ears. 16, 681-684. Flint,J., Corley, R., DeFries,J. Also one of the highest numbers of puppies sold by backstreet breeders – a huge contribution to the aggressive trait they posses! AKC has definitely proven it is no longer about the PURE-Bred dog. Do you have a big heart, home and possibly pocketbook for these special needs dogs brought to you by thoughtless breeders? For Dalmatians I can say that the far greater majority have an excellent temperament, which cannot be said about every breed out there. Ah, well, it is all speculation. The shelters/rescues they dump their crappy Dalmatians at. Their spotted coat makes them hard to miss sprinting across the park. I though: this is like dog breeding. . http://www.schunikka.co.uk/welfarechallenges.php (1984). Sadly I rather like Dogo Argentino’s but they suffer from the same problems because of the pure white coat. I’ve have it in the contract that I want the eyes done on pet puppies, and I make sure it’s done. I obviously brought my own European dogs to the States and since my arrival I have imported two more whilst two of mine bred in the US and sired by a US LUA went back to Europe. A remarkable relationship was found between asymmetrical spotted areas of fur and the preferred direction of circling in Variant-Waddler mice (Cools, 1972a,b). 6. If I ever buy a puppy in the future—unlikely due to my age—I would buy a LUA puppy. Backyard breeders do no health testing, temperaments do not matter, and baer tests are typically not done. Just like Dalmatians. Try 10-12% for the win. I know this is late, but I was looking for information on diets for dalmatians and I couldn’t resist commenting on this blog. For every dog which lives to be over 12, there is a dog which dies prematurely before 12. ANY breed can be fearful or aggressive. Let’s move on: I am not sure which Dalmatians you have come across but I keep repeating – I do not know many (and some exist in every breed) that have temperament issues. Australian Shepherds, Border Collies, Rough Collies, Shelties, Smooth Collies, Great Danes, etc. Key Breed FactsBreed CharacteristicsBreed HighlightsIntroductionHistoryAppearanceTemperamentIntelligence / TrainabilityChildren and Other PetsHealthCaring for a DalmatianGroomingExerciseFeedingAverage Cost to keep/care for a DalmatianBreed Specific Buying Advice If you don’t have sheep (or livestock) you don’t need a dog with strong herding instincts. AKC will not last forever, not with their finances and their reputation in the toilet. CEA is the only really on point DNA test. Uric acidosis should have been solved by now. (1971) found that flecked mice with variegated areas of both pigmented and depigmented areas of skin and fur, have normal visual pathways to the brain even though they are roughly 50% albino. Urinary stones and crystals are a problem and, yes, it could be resolved by breeding with a pointer, but the powers in charge of Dalmatian standards will not back down. If LUA advocates are smart they will propose working with UKC and restart their outcross program. My kids, nor I ,when I was young, would have been allowed to act like that. In fact, by pedigree analysis, they are 99.998% Dalmatian. Breeder attitude is important. Based off of the photos provided with each of the posts concerning dals, it really does appear that you are trying more to frighten people. CARS, collies are bad about making chasing cars their life’s work. I heard that they were friendly, loyal, sensitive, good with cats from multiple people, quiter, active, and very intelligent. The affected birds had abnormal myelin in the cerebellum of their brain, and a reduction in melanin pigment in the eyes and feathers. Psychol. Grandin, T. (1989b). I guess ‘merit’ means different things to different people. Might I also suggest you read “Inbreeding is Screwing Yourself:” What a surprise. Jess recently posted..Tazi, a Journey with the Afghan Hounds, “The problem was and still is that single outcross breeding. “Find/Choose Breed”]. So why are you all talking about “irresponsible owners” as if some irresponsible owner is to blame for the deafness, the urate disease, and the temperament problems. J. Hered. Murphey R. M., Moura Duarte, F. A., and Torres Penedo, M. C. (1981). Thus, the only way to rid the disease and the gene from the breed is to bring in new blood in the form of an out-cross and there are still pedigree purists who will hold the breed hostage to a fundamentalist and unwavering interpretation of purity. I think a Jack Russel Terrier (also an extreme piebald dog) that weighted 40 pounds would be the worst possible dog for anyone. 7. Who goes around wishing they will have to put their dog on stone medication someday???? There’s little market for dogs that can’t piss without pain save for dogmatic-fancy-as-religion types like you. 3) Hit “Skicka” [Trans. 7. It’s not ME who has made that assessment. Don’t fix a problem, make it more expensive and involved to treat! Four white feet, keep him to the end. http://hattrickdalmatians.com/Colors.html. The White Artic Fox losses its white coat when the snow melts. You’ve not addressed the fact that I was bitten by a collie, i’m just interested to know what you think of this?? LMFAO, you want to exclude unilaterally deaf puppies? Your own comments here prove my point. A theory or a group of ideas about how something should be done, made, or thought … A theory of knowledge Neurophysiological effects of early sensory restriction. I don’t see anyone doing that! 67, 3266-3276. What a crock your article is. There’s not. Participation in the OFA/Chic DNA Repository (Blood Sample Required), Hip Dysplasia (Optional) Perfect fit!! Perhaps the only point I’d disagree with is that backyard breeders are not to be blamed for an unruly dog with an aggressive temperament. The lateral amygdaloid nucleus; sensory interface of the amygdala in fear conditioning. They are supposed to have appropriate aggression. Dawkins, M. S. (1993). In 13 years (17 years of Dalmatian ownership) I have bred 12 litters ranging from 6 – 12 puppies. As mentioned before the UK KC did register one LUA before they where recognized by the AKC with the restriction that none of the offspring in the first three generations could be exported but all the offspring would be eligible for registration. The gun is still loaded and the only way to win is to either NOT PLAY or unload the gun. They didn’t tend to fight with anyone and would play games with puppies and each other very well. Your statement here looks like “it’s not perfect, therefore I reject it outright and refuse any solution that is not perfect.” Really? (5) I would advocate several different out-crosses being done and worked into the breed on different lines. The only breed that I will own again. Marker rs737267 People have NERVOUS smiles too. Seems we should have learned something from all the mistakes one would believe. Lots of dogs submissive grin, but of course being too submissive is a sign of a fearful dog and fear can lead to bites. The breeds for which the prevalence is known to be high are highlighted in bold, although similar high rates may occur in other breeds that do not yet routinely receive testing. Curious that since doing Dalmatian Rescue in New Mexico since 1997 and having nearly 600 Dallies live in my home, on my couchand lap, for at least three months for each dog, that I have had exactly NO bad temperaments. Period. ALL Dalmatians have the white coat. As a long time Dal owner, I enjoy it when they smile. Are you seriously trying to say that it’s moral to inflict Dalmatians with hyperuricemia because humans get gout? Let’s perform a little test. You only think that because you haven’t read the other 400 posts here. Analysis of maternal effects in the inheritance of behavior. This blog post isn’t titled “an exhaustive review of 100 years of neurology, biology, behaviorism, and dogs concerning pigmentation, the brain, and behavior.” I linked in DALMATIANS with the already well established body of work dealing with pigmentation and fear, etc. They had only carriers of CEA in a mild form at best labeled in the 70’s by a few US Collie breeders as “Go Normal” and the cooperating professionals such as Dr. Daniel Wolf. The problem you don’t seem to be understanding, is that there is no choice involved with having a Dalmatian. He’s a dog owner from Colorado with too much time on his hands. In other words, I think they have learned to use what they’ve got to get out of being in trouble. Humans have produced varies breeds by specifically selecting different traits, but they are all the SAME species. There is no proof as of yet becuase there are so few LUA Dalmatians out there…..But look at it very simply: Calcium Oxalate Stones can not form in a high acidic state which is what Dalmatians currently have. YES I would more readily back this up if it were mainly concerning health concerns and the morality of continuing to breed a dog that is prone to such illnesses. Oh, and Dalmatians are not the only breed to get urate stones… A pissing contest is what this ultimately seems to come down to. 3. ataque du berger. There are though some cracker black and tans coming out of Ireland of both type, shorter and or otherwise. Isaac, E. (1970). Also, I am blonde with blue eyes and pale skin, does this make me an aggressive person? Along that line, “Pedigree Dogs Exposed” is a byproduct of the animal-welfare movement, not the animal-right movement. J. Ornithol. In any case, folk beliefs, anecdata, and hearsay—which are the quality of evidence he’s citing in that post—are not enough to base a claim like “white dogs are unstable” on. But 100% of them have the genes to make deafness a reality. Dalmatians are very intelligent but mature slowly. a “wonderful” Border Collie attacked my Dalmatian without provocation when she was a year old. I think its the most ill advised thing in the world that the Australians for example went for a closed stud book and AustralianKC registration of their JRTs. Sorry all I see here is somebody who will do EVERYTHING to achieve his mission but it scares me if that person has such ignorant views and will make statements that they know nothing about. Are you saying when I’m happy and I smile i’m not happy?? It’s refreshing to see white being trashed instead of dark. That is not true in any other breed! The first author speculates that they may possibly be related to the increasing incidence of nervous excitable pigs at slaughter plants. ETC. I own TWO breeds with OPEN registries where COO stock is regularly incorporated, and the concept of ‘bringing in new diseases’ is bogus compared to ‘gene loss and concentration of deleterious recessives’ that is part and parcel of a closed registry. The Dalmatian Club of America participates in a program operated by the Canine Health Information Center (CHIC). But I love my baby so much. Now let us contemplate the following: The MITF gene was first discovered and identified in Variegated Indian corn. Behavioral programs and revolutionary strategies. You are going to want to be very aware of what you might be unintentionally communicating because your Dalmatian is going to notice EVERYTHING. Oh, by the way, a “wonderful” Border Collie attacked my Dalmatian without provocation when she was a year old. To me, that shows greater intelligence. Why are we talking about Europe? There’s always penetrance, variables we aren’t accounting for, random chance, evolution, other genes involved, environment involved. Human morals and ethics are uniquely human. I am afraid I find your argument on temperament not born out by the experience of long ownership. http://articles.philly.com/1996-11-20/news/25648812_1_coach-dogs-janet-budzynski-dalmatian-breeders http://www.offa.org/breedtests.html?btnSearch=Tests+by+Breed. If the DCA membershit hadn’t been so fucking stupid and religiously motivated more outcrosses could have been done forty years ago to develop more than one line of LUA Dals. Both are made to run and be active. 30% are deaf. Note number seven in Chris’s archives. I have Australian Cattle Dogs (Dalmatian and Bull Terrier in the mix) and although we have black and red to offset some of the issues, we see a lot of deaf dogs with predictable behavioral problems. Sci. I’m sure there are more complicated Dals out there, it’s just i’ve not met one yet! If you can’t back up your credentials, why don’t you leave a comment that is more than insults? PS, I am from the UK, this may go some way to explaining why the Dalmatians I know are wonderful in temperament, from what I’ve read, we’ve less stringent issues when it comes to crossing? We are proud to be incorporating the LUA Dalmatians into our own Proctor Dalmatians breeding program. Unlike most breeds that form Calcium Oxalate Stones, Dalmatians form uric acid stones. Never claimed it was. So there’s no dilemma at all. the Collie, Border Collie , Sheltie). I am pleased to say that not many all white ones are not put up due to a lack of pigments which is a huge fault in many breeders books. So health testing is limited, not particularly on point yet in my breed. -weird. Examples: Low x Low bred to a normal High x High Dalmatian will produce 100% Low x High progeny. To adjust the information, there should be a few buttons beside “Visa för” [trans. And if the German numbers continue to improve perhaps you’ll find a means to make extreme piebald no more causative for deafness than lesser piebald and the other white factoring genes. In this study, researchers compared 854 individuals with gout to 20,872 individuals without the disease, all of European descent from the United States and the Netherlands. Scott is a retired firefighter and Carol was a former professional groomer. Except there’s no way to solve the problem within the breed. See more ideas about Dalmatian, Dalmatian puppy, Dalmatian dogs. Great response. A responsible breeder will ensure both parents have gone through all appropriate health tests, ensure they are up to breed standards and all puppies will be baer tested. L. (1965). I’very always had and will only ever have Dalmatians! For instance, don’t say ‘Come here, Charles!’ and ‘Get over here, Charles’. Currently I feed a readily available average commercial brand that is being used by an awful lot of dog owners everywhere. Multiple and ancient origins of the domestic dog. Trait Value: http://www.prickeared.com/?attachment_id=9206 General. Ethol. “The results after a five-year study conducted by the DPCA and its consultants, concluded these mutants were correctly termed, “albino or tyrosine positive, partial albino or tyrosine negative which suffer from hypo-melanocytic disease. Dec 31, 2011 - This Pin was discovered by Karine Luby. Try harder. Can you blame her? That a flood of people from the Dalmatian Lovers!!! Brelands, K., and Brelands, M. (1951). Not really a robust system. 3. Adler, A. Be a deaf apologist all you want, it makes you look a fool. The biggest thing that every single dog owner can do to prevent stone formation, Dalmatian or any other breed, is to make sure their animal is properly hydrated and allowed plenty of chances to go out and eliminate. Absolutely not. “being deaf is contrary to being healthy” -I am in no way condoning the fact that some dals are born deaf, as i’ve said, it’s wrong and there should be programmes in place to eradicate this…but would you tell a deaf person that they are unhealthy? BTW, dobermans as a rule are inbred. I bag on Dalmatians (and tons of other breeds) because it should not take this long. Firstly, you’re really not being a very nice person, the world doesn’t need any more unpleasant people. 0 Votes. I could as you, is YOUR dog tested for Shar Pei fever disease? I tried something like that (loud clapping) to see how much two of mine could hear. If the dogs or parent are grumblers, growl when being handled brush picked up by the owner and or family etc those are not the pups for you! The UK tested 68 dogs, selected from a variety of lines and all where homozygous for for HUA. I don’t do this to just bag on Dalmatians. Just that they could have or produce the issues. 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